Pope Francis called for an 鈥渁ll-out battle鈥� against sexual abuse within the Catholic Church.

The claim came in the Pope鈥檚 final address at a Vatican summit on sex abuse in late February.

But for some, this battle is too little too late.

Michael Mack, an award-winning poet, turned his sexual abuse to art.

Coming up, how sexual abuse and trauma can become art.

Guests:

• Heidi Schlumpf, reporter, National Catholic Reporter
• Carol Zamonski, Central Ohio leader, Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests
• Michael Mack, award-winning poet, playwright, and performer 
• Daniel Blausey, New York City-based art therapist, psychotherapist, educator and artist